Author: Cath Subject: Chat Log from IC Meeting with Matia 9/10/01 Thu Sep 13, 2001 7:05 am [ Email to a friend | Invite ] Message: [Mon Sep 10 20:36:50 EDT 2001] andrea: ic Hi Everyone! : ) We're going to get started here in just a few minutes [Mon Sep 10 20:59:34 EDT 2001 OKAY EVERYONE....WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED NOW TONIGHT, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING TO MATIA YOU ARE FREE TO ASK HER ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT (WITHIN REASON...HEE!) AND SHE WILL ANSWER : ) MATIA...YOU MIGHT WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU DO FIRST [ [Mon Sep 10 21:01:16 EDT 2001]
MATIA- I TREAT INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS THROUGH THE USE OF ACUPUNCTURE AND CHINESE HERBAL MEDICINE THERE IS SO MUCH TO SAY, PERHAPS QUESTIONS WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL
Matia, do you find IC to be a pH imbalance?
MATIA- PH IS A CONSIDERATION. WHEN THE BODY IS OUT OF BALANCE IT CAN'T REGULATE ITS PH ON ITS OWN AND THAT IS AN ASPECT OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH TREATMENT. SIMPLY CONTROLLING PH THROUGH DIET IS ONLY A BANDAID. THE BODY NEEDS TO DO IT ITSELF THAT IS A PART OF WHAT WE TRY TO ACHIEVE IN REBALANCING THE BODY
Matia, do your patients who are treated successfully show no signs of bacteria such as enterococcus?
MATIA- MY PATIENTS DO COME UP POSITIVE FOR BACTERIA, HOWEVER SOMETIMES THOSE TEST ARE INCONCLUSIVE SO I DON'T DEPEND ON THEM EXCLUSIVELY, S0 I ALWAYS TREAT FOR SOME BACTERIA AS WELL AS CANDIDA.
Do you mostly work on building immune system rather than killing bacteria and Candida? How do you treat for bacteria and Candida?
MATIA- I WORK BOTH ON BUILDING THE IMMUNE SYTEM, KILLING BACTERIA AND CANDIDA, BALANCING HORMONES AND ANY OTHER THING REQUIRED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. UPON INITIAL CONSULTATION THE PATIENT PROVIDES AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY AND I MONITOR CLOSELY ONCE THEY BEGIN TREATMENT
Herbal antibacterials or prescription?
MATIA- I USE ANTIBACTERIAL HERBS AND NOT PRESCRIPTIONS. TREATING FOR BACTERIA AND CANDIDA IS ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE USE OF BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIBACTERIALS AND ANTIFUNGALS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER HERBS NEEDED TO BALANCE OUT EACH INDIVIDUALS BODY. YES I TREAT LONG DISTANCE.
Matia, why do some patients get worse around their menstrual cycle? Can you treat someone long distance?
MATIA - BECAUSE HORMONES EFFECT EVERYTHING IN OUR BODY AND THE FLUCTUATIONS ARE GOING TO ACCENTUATE ANYTHING THAT IS WRONG IN OUR BODIES. ALSO, AROUND OUR PERIOD WE HAVE A LOT OF BLOOD BUILDING UP GETTING READY FOR OUR PERIOD PUTTING MORE PRESSURE IN OUR PELVIC AREA.
If treating long distance patients, is there any testing involved to prove candida if one does not have vaginal yeast ?
MATIA- I USED TO USE TESTING EVERYTIME BUT I DON'T ANYMORE. I GO BY SYMPTOMS BECAUSE I FOUND THAT MANY TIMES THE TEST RESULTS WERE MISTAKEN. I FOUND THAT WITH THESE TYPES OF DISEASES TESTS ARE OFTEN INCONCLUSIVE SO IT IS BETTER TO GO BY SYMPTOMOLOGY
Is diet of extreme importance along with your herbal treatment?
MATIA- DIET IS A CRITICAL PART OF HERBAL TREATMENT IN ORDER TO GIVE THE BODY THE SPACE IT NEEDS TO HEAL.
Matia, Can you explain what happens during the "yeast kill off" and/or how you know it is being killed off?
MATIA- IF YOU HAVE YEAST YOU WILL EARLY IN TREATMENT DEVELOP SOME OF VARIOUS SYMPTOMS SUCH AS COLD OR FLU SYMPTOMS, NAUSEA, HEADACHE, FATIGUE, ACHINESS, ETC. IT HAPPENS VERY DIFFERENTLY FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SO THE SYMPTOMS NEED TO BE FOLLOWED CAREFULLY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO THE PROCESS THROUGH SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS IT. DIE OFF DOES NOT HAPPEN THE SAME IN ALL PEOPLE.
What type of diet do you enforce?
MATIA- I USE THE ANTICANDIDA DIET AND REMOVE CERTAIN FOODS THAT IRRITATE THE TISSUES OF THE BLADDER.
If we were to travel to see you, do you only do one appt. at that time or more?
MATIA- THE NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THEY CAN VISIT. I TRY TO MAKE THE MOST USE OF THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND HERE WITH ME.
Do you prepare the herbals, or where do we get them?
MATIA- CURRENTLY I PREPARE THE HERBALS MYSELF. I AM CURRENTLY WORKING ON STARTING A FORMAL RESEARCH PROJECT AND TRYING TO REFINE AND COMPLETE AND PROVE MY METHODS BEFORE MAKING THE INFORMATION PUBLIC ALSO HERBS CAN BE DANGEROUS IF MISUSED SO I DON'T PROMOTE SELF CARE
Do you have people stop all their vitamin supplements, etc.?
MATIA- SUPPLEMENTS, ALMOST ALWAYS. THERE HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONS. MEDICATIONS. I USUALLY TELL PEOPLE TO STAY ON THEM UNTIL THEY CAN GET THEIR DOCTORS TO WEAN THEM OFF
Is their lodging close by your office? What city are you in?
MATIA- WE ARE IN LOS ANGELES. THERE IS PLENTY OF LODGING
I'm in Canada, so I probably couldn't get things sent to me?
MATIA- I HAVE FIVE PATIENTS IN CANADA I SEND HERBS TO SO IT IS NO PROBLEM
Do you use homeopathics or just herbals?
MATIA- ONLY HERBALS
How is one billed for the services, and how are the herbs shipped.?
MATIA- IN THE BEGINNING WE COD UNTIL WE DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP AND THEN WE JUST SEND THE BILL WITH DELIVERY.
Is the acupuncture you are doing standard and could we get the same treatments from a good local acupuncturist? What do you believe is the most common weaknesses of the body in IC patients according to Chinese medicine?
MATIA- I ADVISE AGAINST GETTING ACUPUNCTURE WHEN UNDER MY CARE BECAUSE I TRY TO ISOLATE ALL VARIABLES AND ACUPUNCTURE HAS THE CAPACITY TO INTERFERE WITH TREATMENT IF NOT DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH MY TREATMENT METHODS.
WEAKNESSES VARY FROM PATIENT TO PATIENT. THERE IS NOT ONE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. MY APPROACH TO EACH PATIENT IS VERY INDIVIDUAL. THE VARIATIONS OF THIS DISEASE ARE NUMEROUS, AS INDIVIDUAL AS WE ALL ARE.
Do you see environmental toxins as a big problem? Like do you ever suggest a person moving?
MATIA- I THINK THAT EACH OF USE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMBAT TOXINS IN OUR ENVIRONMENT EFFICIENTLY AND IF IT IS NOT IT IS AN INDICATION THAT OUR IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE WEAK AND OVERLOADED. ONE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MOVE THIER LOCATION.
How long does one usually stay on the herbs and your treatments?
TREATMENT IS GENERALLY AT LEAST ONE YEAR. IN SEVERE CASES POSSIBLY MORE. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO UNDO WHAT HAS TAKEN SO MUCH TIME TO EVOLVE. GENERALLY BY THE TIME SOMEONE HAS DEVELOPED IC THEIR BODIES HAVE BEEN ILL FOR QUITE SOME TIME. DEEP HEALING REQUIRES A LOT OF TIME. BUT YOU START TO FEEL BETTER AS YOU GO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO SEE ANY RESULTS.
How did you get interested in helping IC patients?
MATIA- I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN INTEREST IN UROLOGICAL AND GASTROLOGICAL DISEASES BECAUSE THERE ARE SO FEW ANSWERS FOR THOSE PATIENTS AND I ENJOY ACCOMPANYING THOSE PATIENTS ON THEIR JOURNEY BACK TO HEALTH
Is there a diet menu that gives you choices for breakfast, lunch and dinner? This "food thing" has me very confused!
MATIA- THE DIET IS A VERY BROAD SPECTRUM LIST OF DO'S AND DON'TS.
What do u think about potassium chloride tests and side effects?
MATIA- THAT FALLS UNDER A DIFFERENT PROTOCOL THAT IS UNECCESSARY AND UNRELATED TO MY TREATMENT METHODS. IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO SOMEONE ELSES TREATMENT METHODS BUT NOT MINE. I HAVE NO CRITICISM OF OTHER TREATMENT METHODS BUT MINE ARE EXLCUSIVE TO CHINESE MEDICINE.
Just wondering if you have any thoughts on how to improve a severely "shrunken" bladder?
MATIA- I HAVE NO WAY OF VERIFYING THAT MY TREATMENT METHODS INCREASE THE SIZE OF A SHRUNKEN BLADDER. IT IS MY FEELING THAT BECAUSE THOSE I HAVE TREATED WITH SHRUNKEN BLADDERS HAVE INCREASED CAPACITY AND NO MORE SYMPTOMS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE BLADDER HAS INCREASED IN SIZE, BUT I HAVE NO WAY OF VERIFYING THAT BECAUSE WHEN PATIENTS FEEL BETTER THEY DON'T GO BACK IN FOR TESTS. ESPECIALLY INVASIVE TESTS.
If you treat for yeast does our spouse also need to be treated at the same time?
MATIA- IN SOME CASES IF THE SPOUSE IS SYMPTOMATIC AND A PERCIEVED PART OF THE PROBLEM YES I TREAT THEM.
Do you ever see patients who only experience frequency and no pain?
MATIA- ABSOLUTELY, MANY!
(I guess my yeast=systemic really helps to cause IC) Uh oh that makes me nervous - what happens to spouses, I thought IC not contagious?
MATIA- IC IS NOT CONTAGIOUS BUT IF A HUSBAND HAS YEAST HE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THE IC PATIENT WORSE. IT IS NOT THE IC THAT IS CONTAGIOUS. IT IS THE YEAST THAT THEY ARE PASSING BACK AND FOURTH THAT CAN MAKE THE IC PATIENT WORSE. CANDIDA ABSOLUTELY CAN BE A PART OF CAUSING AND EXASPERATING IC BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY THING.
Is it important to keep the carbohydrates very low? I have lost 10 lbs. in 2 weeks and I'm afraid I will keep losing...
MATIA- I MONITOR EACH PERSONS DIET DEPENDING ON SYMPTOMS. IF YOU ARE LOSING WEIGHT TOO RAPIDLY WE INCREASE CARBOHYDRATE INTAKE.
If I don't have signs of vaginal yeast, how would I know if my husband and I were passing it?
MATIA- YOU WOULD NOT. THAT IS WHY I NEED TO TALK TO EACH PERSON AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
My IC symptoms are gone but still have "fibro". What could be causing this to linger? What do you believe IC is?
KATHY2- WHEN IC IS RELATED TO FIBRO, THE FIBRO IS ALMOST A DEEPER ASPECT OF THE IC SO IT IS RELATED AND TREATMENT NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED. WHATEVER YOU DID TO MAKE YOURSELF BETTER NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED. PERHAPS YOU DID NOT GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME.
Is IC a mutated strain of bacteria or the body's breakdown in being able to fight bacteria?
MATIA- AS FAR AS A MUTATED STRAIN, I BELIEVE MORE IMPORTANTLY THAT IT IS A COMBINATION OF BACTERIA, YEAST AND VARIOUS IMBALANCES IN THE BODY WHICH NEED TO BE ADDRESSED ALL SIMUTANEOUSLY.
Do you see hormones as an important part in someone who is 50?
MATIA- I SEE HORMONES AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF MANY PATIENTS, NOT NECCESSARILY HAVING TO DO WITH AGE. TREATING WITH HRT IS NOT GENERALLY THE SOLUTION IN MY OPINION.
Do you suggest that all IC patients get some type of hormone testing and, if so, what?
MATIA- I DON'T DO HORMONE TESTING ON ALL OF MY PATIENTS. ONLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. IF I AM TO TEST I USE SALIVA TESTING ONLY. I NEVER USE BLOOD.
Do you give teas or capsules?
MATIA- EXTRACT TEAS THAT ARE MIXED WITH WATER AND OR CAPSULES DEPENDING ON THE CASE.
If one were to travel to Los Angles for a week, how many times would they be seen? I would want it to be worth my time.
MATIA- IT IS NOT ALWAYS NECCESSARY TO COME HERE. THAT IS ALSO DETERMINED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THERE ARE MANY PATIENTS THAT I TREAT LONG DISTANCE THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN.
How long is the first consult and are you flexible with the time difference?
MATIA- THE FIRST CONSULT IS USUALLY AN HOUR (MORE IF NECCESSARY), AND YES WE ARE ALWAYS FLEXIBLE WITH TIME DIFFERENCES.
Do you do any testing for food allergies?
MATIA- NO I DO NOT DO TESTING FOR FOOD ALLERGIES BECAUSE IN MY EXPERIENCE FOOD ALLERGIES DISAPPEAR WITH OVERALL TREATMENT.
Do you use a combo of acupuncture, diet herbs and sups?
MATIA- I USE HERBS AND DIET AND SUPPLEMENTS. FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOCAL I ALSO USE ACUPUNCTURE.
Sorry if you address this earlier, I just got on. I felt as if I was getting a yeast infection right before my current IC flare up. Would yeast have caused it?
MATIA- IN SOME PEOPLE YEAST CAN BE THE FINAL TRIGGER OF SOMETHING THAT WAS WAITING TO HAPPEN.
My nutritionist used radio magnetic frequencies, do you too?
MATIA- NO I DON'T USE RADIO MAGNETIC FREQUENCIES.
While doing an anti-yeast diet, do you suggest anything for flares beyond the usual baking soda or Prelief or flushing with water?
MATIA- IF UNDER MY CARE I TRY TO AVOID SUPPLEMENTING WITH PRELIEF OR BAKING SODA IF ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY. THESE JUST MASK SYMPTOMS AND IF IT IS NOT EXCRUCIATING IT IS BETTER TO TRY TO RIDE THROUGH IT. I WORK WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON TO GET THEM THROUGH WHAT IS NECCESARY TO RIDE OUT THE DISCOMFORT WHILE IN THE TREATMENT PROCESS.
So the acupuncture part of your treatment is not necessarily imperative?
MATIA- THAT IS CORRECT.
So treating the yeast wouldn't necessarily have warded off the IC attack?
MATIA- TREATING THE YEAST AT THAT MAY WARDED IT OFF BUT IF YOUR BODY WAS ILL SOMETHING ELSE LIKE BACTERIA FOR EXAMPLE COULD HAVE PUSHED IT OVER THE EDGE INSTEAD.
I love the Ditropan XL, for urgency-do you feel some Western meds are ok?
MATIA- I NEVER ASK ANYONE TO GET OFF THEIR WESTERN MEDICATION UNTIL THEY FEEL IT IS TIME AND IT IS APPROPRIATE.
Jane - I have been going to Matia for over a year. Anyone who wants can email me can at firstname.lastname@example.org.